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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:26 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

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eople will never revolt. They are content to keep the same 2 party system that doesn't care about the middle class.

You obviously see the Fed/economy only from your perspective, so you don't understand why the Fed is forced to do what it has to do. For decades, we have outsourced our high paying jobs away. The Fed needs to keep rates low to help most people get by. Most people have less that 2k in savings so they don't care about low rates. The Fed will go back to normal, when those high paying jobs come back, which is not in our lifetimes. We are on our own and need to take advantage of the system. Resourceful people make money in the good times and the bad. Just sitting back and complaining won't fix anything



This is exactly the lack of understanding that has crippled our Country. "I only see from my perspective"? Don't see why the Fed is "Forced" to do what they have to?? Are you serious? The reason Americans only have 2k in savings is because of their policies. They have extracted our wealth by first getting control of the money supply, then separate it from our gold, then through inflation and deflation they suck the strength out of the wealth we had earned(and some died for). Then they keep rates low to keep you in debt. Your right, "complaining" isn't enough. I truly hope Americans rise up and rid ourselves of this filth: Greenspan, Bernanke and Yellen. As far as making money in good times and bad, go for it. There is no place to invest. Stocks are bubble. Real estate us bubble. Bonds bubble. Auto is bubble. Go ahead, put your money where your mouth is and if you have any money put it to work. After the markets crash let me know how it worked for you. Sleeping Americans have let their country be gutted, and it's people debt slaves. Maybe, instead of just accepting the facts you stated, put some energy into ridding our country of this scum
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:32 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:46 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

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eople will never revolt. They are content to keep the same 2 party system that doesn't care about the middle class.

You obviously see the Fed/economy only from your perspective, so you don't understand why the Fed is forced to do what it has to do. For decades, we have outsourced our high paying jobs away. The Fed needs to keep rates low to help most people get by. Most people have less that 2k in savings so they don't care about low rates. The Fed will go back to normal, when those high paying jobs come back, which is not in our lifetimes. We are on our own and need to take advantage of the system. Resourceful people make money in the good times and the bad. Just sitting back and complaining won't fix anything



This is exactly the lack of understanding that has crippled our Country. "I only see from my perspective"? Don't see why the Fed is "Forced" to do what they have to?? Are you serious? The reason Americans only have 2k in savings is because of their policies. They have extracted our wealth by first getting control of the money supply, then separate it from our gold, then through inflation and deflation they suck the strength out of the wealth we had earned(and some died for). Then they keep rates low to keep you in debt. Your right, "complaining" isn't enough. I truly hope Americans rise up and rid ourselves of this filth: Greenspan, Bernanke and Yellen. As far as making money in good times and bad, go for it. There is no place to invest. Stocks are bubble. Real estate us bubble. Bonds bubble. Auto is bubble. Go ahead, put your money where your mouth is and if you have any money put it to work. After the markets crash let me know how it worked for you. Sleeping Americans have let their country be gutted, and it's people debt slaves. Maybe, instead of just accepting the facts you stated, put some energy into ridding our country of this scum


You post makes no sense. You sound like an angry, rambling, conspiracy theory crackpot who blames others for your own poor life choices. There is no reasoning with you.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:42 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You post makes no sense. You sound like an angry, rambling, conspiracy theory crackpot who blames others for your own poor life choices. There is no reasoning with you.


Poor life choices? What the heck are you talking about? You sound like the crack pot. I'm angry because I'm the category of people (savers) who are being unfairly punished by these policies that stupid liberal fucks like you need to bail yourselves out from your poor life choices you make. People too stupid to read or use a calculator don't deserve to take the country down with their socialism bail out.
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Real Estate Guy wrote:
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You post makes no sense. You sound like an angry, rambling, conspiracy theory crackpot who blames others for your own poor life choices. There is no reasoning with you.


Poor life choices? What the heck are you talking about? You sound like the crack pot. I'm angry because I'm the category of people (savers) who are being unfairly punished by these policies that stupid liberal fucks like you need to bail yourselves out from your poor life choices you make. People too stupid to read or use a calculator don't deserve to take the country down with their socialism bail out.


Lol, butthurt much? Maybe a few "LOCK HER UP!" chants would put you in a better mood. Don't forget to pay your rent!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:27 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always time for some "lock her up" chants. Imagine if we had another Libtard for 4 more years? I guess there is a God.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:24 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You post makes no sense. You sound like an angry, rambling, conspiracy theory crackpot who blames others for your own poor life choices. There is no reasoning with you.


Poor life choices? What the heck are you talking about? You sound like the crack pot. I'm angry because I'm the category of people (savers) who are being unfairly punished by these policies that stupid liberal fucks like you need to bail yourselves out from your poor life choices you make. People too stupid to read or use a calculator don't deserve to take the country down with their socialism bail out.


I thought you made millions in real estate, then invested successfully in gold and foreign markets. That doesn't sound like being punished.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:03 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't punished making it, I was Blessed. Still finding ways to work with the shitty market by the Fed. Still blessed. That was a different market before the Fed intervened to save all the big banks and morons who over paid(and all the Libby's who pushed for "everyone to own a home"). Just like the morons of today. Now, I get to put my money in risky assert bubbles or get 1.25% in a money market. Great reward for being smart while Libby's like yourself can keep over extending and borrowing for basically free money. No matter, it's changing. The Fed is slowly taking your Binky away. You'll get yours. You are quite the smart ass behind your desktop. Try getting out in the real world(hint-it's outside of your mother's basement). After you grow a pair, and actually have to invest(if you have money), let me know how the market is.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:43 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

W (conservative) was the one with the "ownership society" platform, which included promoting home ownership widely. The great housing bubble also happened on his watch. "Libbys" contributed to the problem in their own way, but the blame does not fall on a liberal/conservative fault line. I really doubt that a conservative would have hesitated to bail out the banks either if one had been in office when it hit. They generally treat Wall Street very favorably. Somebody willing to let the banks fail would probably have needed to be very far right (abolish the Fed and let the free market rein) or very far left (socialize the commanding heights).

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:01 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Estate Guy wrote:
I wasn't punished making it, I was Blessed. Still finding ways to work with the shitty market by the Fed. Still blessed. That was a different market before the Fed intervened to save all the big banks and morons who over paid(and all the Libby's who pushed for "everyone to own a home"). Just like the morons of today. Now, I get to put my money in risky assert bubbles or get 1.25% in a money market. Great reward for being smart while Libby's like yourself can keep over extending and borrowing for basically free money. No matter, it's changing. The Fed is slowly taking your Binky away. You'll get yours. You are quite the smart ass behind your desktop. Try getting out in the real world(hint-it's outside of your mother's basement). After you grow a pair, and actually have to invest(if you have money), let me know how the market is.


It has been very easy to be a saver over the last eight years. A diversified portfolio of stocks, bonds, and real estate has performed very well and volatility has been low despite the various shocks. The economy still seems in good shape from an employment, GDP, and PCE perspective, suggesting that a recession is not just around the corner. Sentiment is not overly bullish, and market breadth is reasonable. Pretty much everything with the exception of energy has worked; your gold/ex-US stock strategy has been more profitable than 1,25%. No doubt there will be a correction in the stock and real-estate market, but as long as one can accommodate those, a diversified approach should be viable.

I agree with admin that bubbles and the economy in general care little about political affiliations. Introducing derogatory labels into your posts are little more than distractions.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:57 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Admin and Guest. Well stated. Fair arguments. However, although Guest's comment regarding metals and ex-us stocks is true, as is comments about well diversified portfolio, these type of returns aren't what I prefer as an entrepreneur. 10-15% return with risk is not enough to make financial stride. Wealth(for me) came in capital appreciation. The Fed ruined that. Everything is so inflated, assets will either correct or stagnate. Horrible. Takes making real money out of the equation.
And Admin-although the first bubble did happen under "W's" watch(Greenspan), it was Bernanke and Yellen that created the mess with buying back MBS and Debt and bloating the balance sheet. Both Obama's people. Ultimately, I don't believe it matters because the "Fed" is controlled by no one. That's the problem. My "Libby" comment was directed in my opinion that those on the left seem to enjoy the free money and debt their in, while most on the right are more disciplined and prudent with money and understand that "saving", and financial responsibility are more important.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:15 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, Bernanke was a W appointee. Yes, he was still there under Obama.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:14 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uggg. Cool
It's too bad the Fed is its own slithery animal. As you mentioned, it probably doesn't much matter whose at the helm as any member there is working for their true bosses(The big money people and Banks). In realizing I probably will never get my dream of seeing a Fed absolution in my lifetime, I do hope Trump replaces Yellen with someone who might hopefully speed up the pace of the balance sheet reduction and rate hikes. The 3 to 5 year plan is a slow death. I pray to get it over with and rebuild. The current Fed wants to drag this out with stagflation. They don't see(or care to see) that their meddling and slow unwinding has created Bubbles so ridiculous that people like myself are disinterested in capital investment. This holds true for lager corporations as well. That's why GDP is so terrible and depends on tax cuts, and share by backs and the like. The Fed has killed people's desire to invest. Free money is not a good thing for such a long time. A few years maybe. 10 years, and mal investment occurs(bubbles), and then lack of investment. To a degree, I actually agree that using the Fed Fund Rate is a useful tool to control markets(couple years low rates.....couple higher, etc.) What they have done is terrible, and it is not right they have unchallenged power to take such extreme acts with our monetary system. The economy needs to be free, otherwise we all get no where. That is exactly what socialism is., and no private bank should have the right to lead us there.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:49 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

What political party was Barney Frank from? Wink

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/hey-barney-frank-the-government-did-cause-the-housing-crisis/249903/
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:29 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

admin wrote:
I really doubt that a conservative would have hesitated to bail out the banks either if one had been in office when it hit. They generally treat Wall Street very favorably. ).

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A conservative *was* in office when "it" hit and the bank bailout was well underway before Obama assumed office.

You have absorbed the conservative meme that "it" happened under Obama. RealEstateGuy will probably now post some links showing that it actually did !
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